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David
10/26/2023 05:51:48 pm
Another quote from a prophet that has very serious ramifications....Brigham Young taught in General Conference that if the Church ever abandoned Polygamy, it would lose its Priesthood and fall. He said, “Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, “The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
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Tim Merrill
10/30/2023 09:13:04 am
David, the inconsistency you've highlighted made me think of the logic used in game design; if the rules to Monopoly were arbitrary and/or contradictory, it would stink. Why? Because for a game to "work," all of the players have to consent to a standard, uniform set of rules. If someone "breaks" those rules, we say they "cheated."
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Ben
10/26/2023 10:25:23 pm
Thoroughly enjoying this series, occasionally reading my thoughts (through your words) play out on the pages, words that aren't typically put into the public sphere and yet they are more important than most other discourse out there. When you started this journey I hadn't imagined so much nuance and so many real-world examples, merely considering discernment a largely black and white issue. That is, at least until I realized by personal necessity it is a "top 10" issue. At that point discernment went from holding the mild interest of Sunday-school lesson fervor, to "I'm parched and this water isn't cutting it - I need more!!" I had no idea the Scientology stuff was so whackadoodle but having spent so many hours reading church history and considering the respective LRH's of the LDS church with their copious prognostication. . . from moon Quakers to TK Smoothies, I found myself thinking, "These Scientology lunatics might be onto something here! At least there is official proof of the existence of Grey aliens and space federations." There's always that thought in the back of my mind, "I can't wait to see the look on everyone's faces the moment we all realize that most everything we hold as "truth" is either an outright lie or at the very least a perversion of a once nonnegotiable truth. The more I read the church history, I suppose the less surprised I'll be on that awkward day.
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Timothy Merrill
10/30/2023 09:26:17 am
Ben, while I am not sure I understand what castles of Camembert are (for my mind is like baked brie), I can relate to some of the deconstruction you're experiencing.
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L
10/27/2023 12:29:48 am
I am enjoying and learning from this series a lot too. Thank you so much Tim. I’m going to try to say something that I’m not sure how to say, but I’ll try.
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Tim Merrill
10/30/2023 09:50:52 am
L, thank you for sharing this experience with your church friend and their insistence on the "correct" path. I am glad you brought this up, because I had a similar experience last week.
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David
10/27/2023 05:30:41 am
As I read through your post for a third time I can't help but think of the Church as a cult just as much as Scientology, or the Moonles. And, coincidencedentaly read a satirical blog post on this very matter just yesterday.
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Tim Merrill
10/30/2023 09:55:14 am
Thanks David; your metaphor of the IV is very apt; how many of us are being kept in a spiritually (medically) induced coma? It gives new meaning to the admonition we read in the scriptures to "Awake!" In college I used to sell plasma for a little extra candy money; IVs can both inject and extract.
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Clark Burt
10/28/2023 07:25:31 am
One major difference I see between the church and Scientology is that Scientology was a man made religion, while the Church of Jesus Christ was organized to foster and take care of the truth, the ordinances, but has become, as you pointed out, inundated with man-made teachings and so called doctrines. But this has always been the case with the Lord's people, so when you say 'our beliefs' you have correctly stated the problem. And you said this best when you wrote: "Anyway, is it any wonder that, when the truth is not found 'in us' (John 1:8), our choices become corrupted?" This part of your quote I agree with, but when you 'we have been taught to believe falsehood' I remind you that God has always pointed us to His Son and said "Hear, ye Him." Members are at fault, and those members become ecclesiastical leaders, and the blind follow the blind.
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Tim Merrill
10/30/2023 10:11:31 am
Clark, I wholeheartedly agree; thank you for reminding us that even when things become corrupted, they oftentimes still possess a kernel of the divine. As for Scientology, I cannot think of a more works-based, humanistic system of beliefs. Which was my intent in showing the irony in the way we sometimes take the gospel and overlay man-made, works-based, humanistic beliefs on top of it. I continue to search God's words, His truth, hoping to persuade some few of the goodness of Christ's grace in a dispensation of doubt and dreariness, and so appreciate the light you shine on His love. Tim
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